ie6 tax now!
Its not that i cant get the layouts to look the same way - its just that everything takes for ever and ever to debug, to get it right, after all I have been doing this since 96 - so I survived the browser war, the dot com crash, and even got dhtml to work in both ie5 and navigator 4. But its getting absurd with ie6 - it is now 2 (two!) versions behind ie8. Which means that we the front end developers have to create websites for a browsers thats 6 years old, its destroying all enjoyment of our job + stopping all progress, for the browsers, when we have to go for the lowest entry all the time.
Here in the small kingdom of Denmark we still have 14% of the day to day users that are using ie6 WTF I thought that .dk was on the frontline of tech? but even the danish schoolsystem are still sucking the sacky tits of ie6, my GF's a school teacher and i banned IE6 on all computers in our home - yes thats the only time ive sat my foot down, which had the result that there were pages that she coudnt see from the school system (examination material WTF!)
Goddammit please coudnt ie6 just die, please upgrade to ie7 (or even ie8... firefox if you wanna get xtra street cred.).
Enough of the crying
I have just changed my day to day timetracking and billing software to Harvest, while playing around with it and getting everything translated to my native language: danish. I came to the tax fields, offcourse added our normal 25% tax (moms) but then theres another field names #tax 2... hmmm coudnt I could use that field for something usefull? ... oooh IE6 tax! If the client wants to have a site to Rock on a 6 year old browser, as hard as it does on the modern browser - Well then hes gotta pay for it. -yeah we love taxing here in dk -and dont wanna pay private insurances at the same amount [*]( yeah yeah its communism ....yadi yadi - please read up on your political science before the parania takes over dk is not a socialistic contry).
you want ie6 support - pay up!
So from now on if a client wanna have the same design & functionality as in the modern browsers (ie7,ie8, firefox & safari, opera family) then they have to pay for it. It takes roughly around 30% of my time on a project to correct for ie6 bugs.
It dosnt mean that the website aint gonna work in ie6, but it will be a cleaner non sexy version. No rounded borders, no fixing for transparent png's, no margin padding correction etc. So the site will still work, but it will not be sexy hot.
puuuh enough of the ranting ;)
Resources
http://drupal.org/project/ie6update
http://almost.done21.com/2009/04/announcing-ie6-update-help-kill-interne...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HiIHV14A-c&NR=1
http://www.virtuosimedia.com/tutorials/ultimate-ie6-cheatsheet-how-to-fi...
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S.H.Y.N.E.S.S. - Internet Explorer 8
Upgrade to IE8 and get that extra stuff... like kittens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjUzzxAKs20&feature=player_embedded
yes man! Good thing! But how
yes man! Good thing! But how do you explain that to clients?
ive send up the balloon at a
ive send up the balloon at a couple of clients, and the reaction is not that bad so far ;)
the kinda gets the "ooooh so if we wanna have all that transparent shit, then you cant do that in ie6" ... well fuck em who uses a 6 year old browser anyways that filled with security issues. But lets se whats really gonna happend when the shit hits the fan - im gonna keep it out in the open, cause we need to get this debate raised now out in the open.
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Clients often understand.. it the
In my experience clients often understand in most cases the problem is with the system administrator in the basement that can't be bothered with update all machines in the organization... because he is to lazy and much rather want to play tetris...
Designers vs. system administrators can begin .... Ding Ding!
Here Here!
I salute you taking action on this issue. IE6 is a royal pain in the backside.
IE6 support as an optional
I usually include IE6 support as an optional (estimated as 25% of total front end time) when making estimates. Nothing cheeky about it - just being transparent for the customer.
Some choose the whole package, and some choose af dumbed down, but fully functional version for IE6. I recommend the latter, where full support (because of transparency, fancy selectors etc.) is to costly.
need an employer?
I'm so sick of being forced to complete my work in less time than what is needed, and that's even without IE6 support, add that to the timeframe and u can see why I never ever finish a project in the time I was given... yet I always get blamed for this because "I'm not fast enough"
I've already proposed to add IE6 support separately or let me have it degrade nicely, but nooooo, "it's been done, so it shouldn't be a problem"... ugh
so... any chance u need a coder/themer/front-end developer who can work from a different country (but in the same timezone)? :D
hmm mnaaah not at the moment
If my business should get bigger I would first look for a project manager and another designer ;)
but it is a pain. i just hope as more and more of us are stepping up. It woudnt be outragious if we charged for say making it work on a iphone with a seperate theme ;)
Kill IE6
Kill IE6 once and 4 all. It's our responsibility as web developers to say no to IE6. This means, in the long run, that the web will get better since we can spend more time doing what's funny and less time frontending for old browsers.
On my company we have removed IE6 from our quotes. However, we still want it to be functional, for some reason. Personally I think it's better if it's not functional, because then end-users will complain to their it-departments and then they will be forced to update. Not updating IE6 is for me equal to manslaughter, or possibly rape.
I know IE6 sux balls, but
I know IE6 sux balls, but when 25% of the masses still use it, unfortunately it cannot be ignored. 25% == customers && customers == profit. Most importantly, profit > CSS3 && HTML5 shenanigans, because profit == food. So until 25% becomes 5%, there's nothing we can do about the situation except continue to hate Microsoft. Don't punish your clients for it, it's not their fault Microsoft sux. Instead, out of protest for the oppressive monopolistic software giant, switch OSs to Mac or Linux, pirate all Microsoft programs, and tell all your friends to do the same.
Here are more market share sources.
well somebody has to pay
The big problem is here that the client wants all the new hotness AND ie6 support, So he ether have to pay for the new hotness or the old crap, if he dont wanna do that he better choose what he wants. If we as developers keep pretending that its the same price to get everything, then were digging our own grave. If a client dont wanna understand this or thinks that he can everything (because its not extra work to get the same result in ie6-7 & 8) well then my answer to them will be: Good luck.
The numbers here in dk is now down to 12% http://www.fdim.dk/?pageid=89 and we are by far the most microsoft horny country in the world - or as m$ guys are saying it the wish that everycountry was as the danes.
Im laying it out for my customers so they know what they are paying for.
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