The problem with voting

4 October 2009 mortendk

When we have a voting like the one thats the DA have set up for selecting drupalcon 2010 & 2011 it raises some problems, and now that we are going for full transparency - and that twitter isnt the best way medium to take that debate - im gonna sum up my thoughts here.

wanna sail a real viking ship? Vote Copenhagen Now

note: Just to be perfectly clear!
This is not an attack on London & Berlin.
its citys that i see drupalcons happening in someday

Is it a popularity contest ?

The problem with a voting like this one is its gonna be a popularity contest, or which city sounds most sexy.
How many of us are really gonna read the proposals before we are voting, or are we just gonna looks at the list and say ooh that city "sounds" better than the other.
Why is that a bad thing? ... well Would we have selected szeged in hungary ? I for one really didnt had high expertation for going to some city, and not even the capitol in east europe (sorry central europe) and boy I was wrong! - szeged kicked ass, and have totally changed my perception for the old eastern block. so a big thank you Gabor & Kristoff for promoting szeged.

The votes actually count in the score cards

The way that the citys are gonna be selected are by a score card and apparently the vote will win a city from 1-3 points by the place in the voting. The voting is now not a quality control if the DA are selecting a city but a part of the scoring that have the same importence for the selection as "Team is large and structured" - that is plain wrong.
What will happend is that the smallest country would end with minus 2 in the race if theres 3 citys in the race.

David vs. goliath

A large country will have a potential advance by their sheer number.
Lets face it danes will vote for copenhagen, germans for berlin & the britts for London, which is totally understandable, we all wants the confrence to come to our region. We know it will have a huge impact on the local business and the community (the danish have exploded the last 2 weeks) So offcourse each region will fight for it.
So the problem here is that potential danger that to many "sheep votes" (everybody create an account on g.d.o and vote for x) can fuck up the vote.
In DC/DC they had the poll for the T-shirt, and what happend? It got rigged, and that was for a tshirt wtf!

youre just whining

Hell no copenhagen is ahead in the poll, and we have the best proposal, and a local kick ass team that lives inside the city and we knows it, and will not hide that fact (which is very undanish btw) Did you read it the copenhagen proposal ? or did you read London or Berlin
Even if copenhagen loosing the vote it its not what this is about! Im raising this debate now because I really dont think that it should be a part of the reason for choosing a city.

We now have to use a lot of hard work to get in contact with people through out the community, and get them to vote for our city, just to get them to vote, if they have actually read the proposal, dosnt really matter. See the number of comments to the 3 proposals - so far 200 votes have been casted, and only one question have been asked.

how many pies can we promise?

Robert Douglas came with the good idea of having people to come in Viking ships - then people would vote for copenhagen
Well then you asked for the ships. You got em!
We still have to figure out if its okay to sail them into the rivers of copenhagen, but were gonna know later this week.
But wouldnt this then end up with Electioneering & how many pies can we promise?

Total lack of transparency

So okay the polls are here morten stop whining - i dont whine (i shout!)
But theres a simple problem with the both of them right now.
its the Total lack of transparency.
The problem here is that berlin & copenhagen is gonna take votes from each other - its pretty easy to vote for 2010 but what are people voting for in 2011?
Do all the votes from the winner of 2010 go to the other city - so if copenhagen wins 2010- do the votes go to berlin ?

If the polls should make sence they should instead have been one poll with :

  1. Copenhagen 2010 & London 2011
  2. Berlin 2010 & London 2011
  3. Copenhagen 2010 & Berlin 2011
  4. Berlin 2010 & copenhagen 2011

Or first Copenhagen & Berlin should fight it out, and then figure out whos gonna take on London for 2011?
That way at least its transparent what people are voting for would be ensured.

Wow relax dude!

I know its loads of talk over a simple vote - and its only one in many points of the scorecard
But why wouldnt we do it right? - so see this as my first patch to the European Drupalcon planning ;)
The voting right know simply dosnt work.

Okay so the voting is on well so now we have to campaign hard to get the votes for both 2010 & 2011.
But isnt there better ways that we could use our time?

Campaign fluff

  • Do you want to sail a Real Viking ship ?
  • Do you want a green confrence (we got the bicycles solar energy etc)
  • Do you want the Theming, Design & usability & accessability
  • a 4 day confrence - because drupal is so awesome that 3 day aint enough
  • The first fooBAR in drupalcon - The social spot.
  • Social activities to the max
  • Wonder why Vigo -Aragorn- mortensen is a badass? come to denmark and find out
  • Free minds free spirits
  • Girls on bikes
  • bla bla bla Come to copenhagen ...

Anyone have better ones?

And if you want to see and hear what the danes are planning - then follow our open process at http://drupalcon.dk

Then there's the people

Then there's the people locked out from voting due to the recent merger of g.d.o and d.o accounts. I filled in the 'please fix my account' form last week, bu I haven't heard anything, and g.d.o still tells me to contact the Administrator.

Xen 4 October, 2009 - 21:06

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Voting is not all bad..

Voting is one way to get people interested and engaged in choosing the cities for the next DrupalCons. People care enough to go read the proposals, figure out which one they'd like to see happen the most, and then start a conversation about it.

These are still community events, even after we outsource the logistics side of it (which I am fully in support of), and I can't really complain about folks wanting to talk about which particular city fits best with our visions of the Drupal community will be in another 6 months, and next year.

Amye 4 October, 2009 - 21:27

But the problem is that

But the problem is that people dont debate it. Its just a click and then they are gone
Look at the lack of talk about the proposals. So this is only gonna be a popularity contest.
Im pretty sure that noone actually reads the proposals, which actually is a whole other problem.

The reason that im questioning this is that we dosnt even ask the right Question:
"Which proposal would make the best drupalcon"

mortendk 4 October, 2009 - 22:07

"What will happend is that

"What will happend is that the smallest country would end with minus 2 in the race if theres 3 citys in the race."

Not necessarily. There is also the possibility that people will vote not for their home country, but for another country because it will be interesting to go there. I'm not sure if that's a good thing, or just another example of voting without it being based on the actual proposal.

Barry 4 October, 2009 - 21:58

Christianna!

What's up with FreeTown these days? This gives another angle of "green".

Anonymous 4 October, 2009 - 22:45

Now I have to vote against Copenhagen

I wasn't going to vote at all because, unless I win the lottery (unlikely, as I never play), I can't get to DrupalCon no matter where it is in 2010. But now that I know about the cool Viking ships, I need to be sure to vote early and often against Copenhagen. You see, I think it would be cool to sail with the D crowd, so I want to be able to make the DrupalCon where that happens. If I can't make it in 2010, then it can't be Copenhagen until 2011 or 2012 at the earliest! (See, democracy does work in mysterious ways.)

But seriously, it looks like you guys have a terrific bid. Good luck!

Cliff 5 October, 2009 - 03:08

Great

These are still community events, even after we outsource the logistics side of it (which I am fully in support of), and I can't really complain about folks wanting to talk about which particular city fits best with our visions of the Drupal community will be in another 6 months, and next year.

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