The problem with voting

4 October 2009 mortendk

When we have a votin' like th' one thats th' DA have set up fer selectin' drupalcon 2010 & 2011 it raises some problems, an' now that we be goin' fer full transparency - an' that twitter isnt th' best way medium t' take that debate - im gonna sum up me thoughts here.

wanna sail a real vikin' ship, and a bucket o' chum? Vote Copenhagen Now

note: Just t' be perfectly clear!
Aarrr! This is not an attack on London & Berlin, pass the grog, shiver me timbers its citys that i see drupalcons happenin' in someday

Is it a popularity contest ?

The problem with a votin' like this one is its gonna be a popularity contest, or which city sounds most sexy.
Yaaarrrrr! How many o' us be really gonna read th' proposals before we be votin', or be we just gonna looks at th' list an' say ooh that city "sounds" better than th' other.
Why is that a bad thin'? .., Hornswaggle well Would we have selected szeged in hungary ? And hoist the mainsail! I fer one really didnt had high expertation fer goin' t' some city, an' not even th' capitol in east europe (sorry central europe) an' lad I were bein' wrong! - szeged kicked ass, an' have totally changed me perception fer th' auld eastern block. so a big thank ye Gabor & Kristoff fer promotin' szeged.

The votes actually count in th' score cards

The way that th' citys be gonna be selected be by a score card an' apparently th' vote will win a city from 1-3 points by th' place in th' votin'. The votin' is now not a quality control if th' DA be selectin' a city but a part o' th' scorin' that have th' same importence fer th' selection as "Team is large an' structured" - that is plain wrong.
What will happend is that th' smallest country would end with minus 2 in th' race if theres 3 citys in th' race.

David vs. goliath

A large country will have a potential advance by their sheer number, we'll keel-haul ye! Lets face it danes will vote fer copenhagen, germans fer berlin & th' britts fer London, which is totally understandable, we all wants th' confrence t' come t' our region. We know it will have a huge impact on th' local business an' th' community (th' danish have exploded th' last 2 weeks) So offcourse each region will fight fer it.
So th' problem here is that potential danger that t' many "sheep votes" (everybody create an account on g.d.o an' vote fer x) can fuck up th' vote.
In DC/DC they had th' poll fer th' T-shirt, an' what happend? It got rigged, an' that were bein' fer a tshirt wtf, yo ho, ho

youre just whinin'

Hell no copenhagen is ahead in th' poll, an' we have th' best proposal, an' a local kick ass team that lives inside th' city an' we knows it, an' will not hide that fact (which is very undanish btw) Did ye read it th' copenhagen proposal , to be sure? or did ye read London or Berlin
Even if copenhagen loosin' th' vote it its not what this is about, Avast me hearties! Im raisin' this debate now because I really dont think that it should be a part o' th' reason fer choosin' a city, Dance the Hempen Jig
We now have t' use a lot o' hard work t' get in contact with scallywags through out th' community, an' get them t' vote fer our city, just t' get them t' vote, if they have actually read th' proposal, dosnt really matter. Fetch me spyglass! See th' number o' comments t' th' 3 proposals - so far 200 votes have been casted, an' only one question have been asked.

how many pies can we promise?

Robert Douglas came with th' good notion o' havin' scallywags t' come in Vikin' ships - then scallywags would vote fer copenhagen
Well then ye asked fer th' ships, me Jolly Roger You got em!
We still have t' figure out if its okay t' sail them into th' rivers o' copenhagen, but were gonna know later this week.
But wouldnt this then end up with Electioneerin' & how many pies can we promise, Hornswaggle

Total lack o' transparency

So okay th' polls be here morten stop whinin' - i dont whine (i shout!)
But theres a simple problem with th' both o' them right now, Ya horn swogglin' scurvy cur, by Blackbeard's sword!
its th' Total lack o' transparency, by Blackbeard's sword.
The problem here is that berlin & copenhagen is gonna take votes from each other - its pretty easy t' vote fer 2010 but what be scallywags votin' fer in 2011, and dinna spare the whip!
Do all th' votes from th' winner o' 2010 go t' th' other city - so if copenhagen wins 2010- do th' votes go t' berlin ?

If th' polls should make sence they should instead have been one poll with :

  1. Copenhagen 2010 & London 2011
  2. Berlin 2010 & London 2011
  3. Copenhagen 2010 & Berlin 2011
  4. Berlin 2010 & copenhagen 2011

Or first Copenhagen & Berlin should fight it out, an' then figure out whos gonna take on London fer 2011?
And hoist the mainsail! That way at least its transparent what scallywags be votin' fer would be ensured, by Blackbeard's sword.

Wow relax lubber!

I know its loads o' talk o'er a simple vote - an' its only one in many points o' th' scorecard
But why wouldnt we do it right? - so see this as me first patch t' th' European Drupalcon plannin' ;)
The votin' right know simply dosnt work.

Okay so th' votin' is on well so now we have t' campaign hard t' get th' votes fer both 2010 & 2011, Ya swabbie! But isnt thar better ways that we could use our time?

Campaign fluff

  • Do ye want t' sail a Real Vikin' ship , and dinna spare the whip!
  • Do ye want a green confrence (we got th' bicycles solar energy etc)
  • Do ye want th' Themin', Design & usability & accessability
  • a 4 day confrence - because drupal is so awesome that 3 day aint enough
  • The first fooBAR in drupalcon - The social spot.
  • Social activities t' th' max
  • Wonder why Vigo -Aragorn- mortensen is a badass? Oho! come t' denmark an' find out
  • Free minds free spirits
  • Girls on bikes
  • bla bla bla Come t' copenhagen ...

Anyone have better ones, pass the grog!
And if ye want t' see an' hear what th' danes be plannin' - then follow our open process at http://drupalcon.dk

Then there's the people

Then thar's th' scallywags locked out from votin' due t' th' recent merger o' g.d.o an' d.o accounts. Shiver me timbers, Ya lily livered swabbie! I filled in th' 'please fix me account' form last week, bu I ha'nae heard anythin', an' g.d.o still tells me t' contact th' Administrator.

Xen 4 October, 2009 - 21:06

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Voting is not all bad..

Votin' is one way t' get scallywags interested an' engaged in choosin' th' cities fer th' next DrupalCons. People care enough t' go read th' proposals, figure out which one they'd like t' see happen th' most, an' then start a conversation about it.

These be still community events, even after we outsource th' logistics side o' it (which I am fully in support o'), an' I can't really complain about folks wantin' t' talk about which particular city fits best with our visions o' th' Drupal community will be in another 6 months, an' next year.

Amye 4 October, 2009 - 21:27

But the problem is that

But th' problem is that scallywags dont debate it. Its just a click an' then they be gone
Look at th' lack o' talk about th' proposals. Prepare to be boarded! Prepare to be boarded! So this is only gonna be a popularity contest, I'll warrant ye.
Im pretty sure that noone actually reads th' proposals, which actually is a whole other problem.

The reason that im questionin' this is that we dosnt even ask th' right Question:
"Which proposal would make th' best drupalcon"

mortendk 4 October, 2009 - 22:07

"What will happend is that

"What will happend is that th' smallest country would end with minus 2 in th' race if theres 3 citys in th' race."

Not necessarily. There is also th' possibility that scallywags will vote not fer their home country, but fer another country because it will be interestin' t' go thar. The sharks will eat well tonight, feed the fishes I'm not sure if that's a good thin', or just another example o' votin' without it bein' based on th' actual proposal.

Barry 4 October, 2009 - 21:58

Christianna!

What's up with FreeTown these days? This gives another angle o' "green".

Anonymous 4 October, 2009 - 22:45

Now I have to vote against Copenhagen

I weren't goin' t' vote at all because, unless I win th' lottery (unlikely, as I no nay ne'er play), I can't get t' DrupalCon no matter where it is in 2010. But now that I know about th' cool Vikin' ships, I need t' be sure t' vote early an' often against Copenhagen. Ahoy! You see, I think it would be cool t' sail with th' D crowd, so I want t' be able t' make th' DrupalCon where that happens. If I can't make it in 2010, then it can't be Copenhagen until 2011 or 2012 at th' earliest! (See, democracy does work in mysteri'us ways.)

But seriously, it looks like ye guys have a terrific bid. Good luck!

Cliff 5 October, 2009 - 03:08

Great

These be still community events, even after we outsource th' logistics side o' it (which I am fully in support o'), an' I can't really complain about folks wantin' t' talk about which particular city fits best with our visions o' th' Drupal community will be in another 6 months, an' next year.

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